Posts by Jonathan Drake

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Elders' Authority - Flock Book

by berrygerry in

the biggest surprise in the flock book was the hiding-for 3-years serious sin absolution provision for elders (if with "jehovah's evident blessing").. the second is the remark regarding an inactive person, and the situation:.

"is the person willing to meet with a committee, thus admitting accountability to the christian congregation?".

now, the bible says: i want you to know that the head of every man is the christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the christ is god.

Jonathan Drake

I am not an elder. But experience tells me that they will simply states that the committee is made up of spirit anointed men - which means chosen by Jesus - so trough spiritual direction these men are going to be able to convey Jesus judgement on the matter.

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Did God have a man to man talk with Adam?

by James Mixon in

i wonder did god instruct adam about the no, no's in procreation and sex.. look adam i know you may feel a little odd, looking at the other animals.

having fun.

so i giving you a mate, but don't do like the birds, horses and .

Jonathan Drake

I am not. I am not because of asking questions and continuing to do so beginning with what I thought first were just fun, like this one, but then eventually realized are honest to goodness legitimate questions.

keep on asking this kind of thing.

one of the last questions I asked myself as a believer was:

if im willing to honestly believe and accept that God has always been and always will be - why is it unreasonable to consider that the elements of the universe and the laws of physics weren't created but have always existed and always will be?

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Did God have a man to man talk with Adam?

by James Mixon in

i wonder did god instruct adam about the no, no's in procreation and sex.. look adam i know you may feel a little odd, looking at the other animals.

having fun.

so i giving you a mate, but don't do like the birds, horses and .

Jonathan Drake

Personally I think that the first Homosapiens made the Neanderthals their bitch until they didn't exist anymore; and did so however they pleased because they were dominant.

This is what we need to do with religion now. Make God our bitch.

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Compliment or criticism - what affects you most?

by EdenOne in

a bit of introspection on this one ... just read on someone's post that a compliment makes him "float" for hours, and it got me thinking; within the spectrum of comments that people make about me, from compliment to criticism, which is the type that most affects me?.

after my experience as a jehovah's witness, i find that i've become suspicious of compliments and over-sensitive to criticism.

because a common technique of elders was to compliment someone before going down to business, that is, giving hard counseling or discipline.

Jonathan Drake

I would say criticism affects me most, but not negatively.

I don't pay too much attention to compliments, aside from general appreciation. But if I'm receiving a compliment that's great, I'm glad the person approved of me or what I've done or said; however, I pay more attention to criticism and I always will. Criticism challenges your world, and maybe your approach is wrong. Whenever I experience criticism, whether or not its constructive, I spend a great deal of time on it. Honestly asking myself if the other person could be right.

I feel that being a Witness shuts you off to criticism. You are taught to believe that how you think, believe, and reason is right and cannot be wrong because you know the truth. That attitude affects more than just your personality in terms of religion, it makes a person have trouble recognizing when they are wrong or out of their depth.

For this reason, I have far greater appreciation for criticism, and work very hard at giving any i receive a thorough consideration.

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Scientific Proof that Evolution is NOT Scientific!

by Nicola.threeangelsmessage in

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friends

bruce malone, an outstanding scientist has absolute scientific proof that evolution is not scientific!.

bruce, a leading researcher for dow chemical for 30 years; he is one of the top 100 inventors eighteen of his inventions raised millions of dollars; and has a b.s.

degree in chemical engineering.

Jonathan Drake

You need to broaden your horizons. If all you ever read is garbage from people who just can't seem to accept reality then you'll never get a feel for reality either.

There re is a rather large group of fossils found in slate (I believe) in Canada that hold several transitional fossils with strange parts and shapes. You can go there and literally see how organisms evolved a step at a time.

Evolution is fact. The sooner every one accepts this the better off society will be.

(only read OP, CBA the many pages of debate on this subject again)

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You are simulation and physics can prove it

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chfoo9nbeow.

a little about george smoot.

http://bigbangtheory.wikia.com/wiki/george_smoot.

Jonathan Drake

It's an interesting idea.

But it I think it's just another human mammal who's unable to accept death. (Unless he isn't suggesting something happens when you die and leave the simulation). I'll watch this later for sure.

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A coordinated effort to bring up Watchtower pedophelia to the public's attention.

by Village Idiot in

a statement that phizzy made on jonathan drake's thread on flyers gave me the following ideas.. we should make a flyer on the issue of the watchtower pedophilia issue written with the object of alerting the public about the jw door to door activity.

phizzy suggested the title, "the paedophile at your door".. on that flyer should be the contact information of our most informed member on the subject who's willing to talk to the media.

barbara anderson perhaps?.

Jonathan Drake

I know I'm late responding to this, but, if I've read correctly over the last few months, Watchtower has the highest incident rate currently known of a religious organization.

The scope of abuse in the Jehovah's Witnesses is a matter of considerable debate. The church has recently been sued by eight plaintiffs in four lawsuits alleging abuse, one filed in July in Minnesota. Mr. Bowen says that his victims support group, "silentlambs," has collected reports from more than 5,000 Witnesses contending that the church mishandled child sexual abuse.

Source

If these numbers are accuate then that means the amount of child abuse is far greater proportionally to the church. They have far more reports/claims than the church (which has less than 3,000 cases) but with far fewer numbers (more than 100times fewer witnessss than Catholics). Granted, the article does not say these 5,000 claim to be victims. But I also remember reading there were an incredible amount of claims made in Australia.

frankly tho, looking at the kids as statistics makes me feel kinda bad. Regardless of the prevalence it's happening and they aren't admitting it; even going so far as calling the victims liars. At least the church finally owned their wrongs.

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God evolved from chimpanzee diety

by freemindfade in

researchers say todays lord almighty shares many traits in common with the chimp deity, including color vision and omniscience.. .

berkeley, cachallenging long-held views on the origins of divinity, biologists at the university of california, berkeley, presented findings thursday that confirm god, the almighty creator of the universe, evolved from an ancient chimpanzee deity.. the recently discovered sacred ancestor, a divine chimp species scientists have named pan sanctorum, reportedly gave rise over millions of years to the lord our god, maker of heaven and earth.. although perhaps not obvious at first glance, there are actually overwhelming similarities between the supreme being of today and this early primate deity who preceded him, said dr. richard kamen, a leading biologist who also heads berkeleys paleotheology department.

the holy chimp moved around on all fours, but its descendants eventually began walking upright to expend less energy while foraging across the infinite reaches of the universe.

Jonathan Drake

According to experts, divine life began as a single-celled all-powerful organism roughly 3.6 billion years ago, eventually evolving into a multicelled, sponge-like deity that bobbed and floated across the chaos of the early universe.

LOL it's the holy spirit! Floating above the waters! ZOMG

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